A Surprising Politician
Finally - a politician actually open to shrinking federal power.
The next presidential race is on.
One probable candidate is former CIA Director and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
He just released a new book: “Never Give an Inch: Fighting for the America I Love.”
Pompeo must be a smart guy. He graduated first in his class at West Point. Then he went to Harvard Law School.
Interviewing him makes it clear that he is smarter and more thoughtful than most politicians. We talked for an hour about immigration, defense, education, tariffs, entitlement reform, pandemics and more.
We disagree about a lot.
Pompeo knows I’m a libertarian and would disagree with him about a lot. But he agreed to talk about … anything.
Then he repeatedly said things that surprised me.
Pompeo calls himself a “deficit hawk.” I give him a hard time about Republican hypocrisy, pointing out that under Trump, Republicans increased the deficit.
“Guilty as charged,” Pompeo replies. “My party has been no more serious about actually delivering solutions to this problem than the Democrat Party.”
That’s surprisingly honest.
He also doesn’t dodge the fact that Social Security and Medicare are going broke.
“The math suggests that somehow these trust funds run out about the time my son Nick will turn to Social Security.”
“What do you do?” I ask. “Raise retirement ages?”
“There’s nothing that should be off the table,” he answers.
That’s brave. Voters vilify politicians who admit that Medicare and Social Security are unsustainable and must be changed if they are to survive.
A cowardly President Donald Trump declared, “Under no circumstances should (we) cut a single penny.” A cowardly President Joe Biden agreed, calling Medicare and Social Security “a promise we made as a country.”
But that promise is now an impossible promise.
When Social Security began, most Americans didn’t even live to age 65. “Entitlements” were meant to protect the minority who lived long enough to exhaust their savings. But now we live an average of 76 years. Most of us will collect significantly more from Social Security and Medicare than we ever put in. That’s unsustainable.
Pompeo is a rare politician who admits that something has to change.
Then he surprised me again.
Since Pompeo is called a “staunch conservative,” I assumed that he would say we should spend more on the military. But he didn’t.
“There’s no need to spend more money than we’re spending today.”
Again, that was refreshing.
America already spends $800 billion, more than the next nine countries combined. Finally, a hawkish Republican not so eager to pander to the military establishment.
As secretary of state, Pompeo met with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un. He calls Putin a “thug.” He criticized China so much that Trump told him, “Shut the hell up about China!” He calls Kim Jong-un an “evil mass murderer.”
So who is the most dangerous person in the world?
“Randi Weingarten,” says Pompeo.
That was another surprise. Teachers union boss Randi Weingarten is more dangerous than dictators?
“We’ll figure out Putin. We’ll figure out Xi Jinping,” Pompeo replies. “But you teach kids that America is a racist nation? … that groups matter more than individuals? … that there’s an oppressor class and somehow America is the most indecent nation in the history of the world? You’re done.”
What would he do about education if he were president?
It’s my trick question. I long for a politician who will answer questions like that by saying, “Nothing! It’s not a president’s job.”
Education is a job for local governments. The Feds have no business trying to micromanage schools, although that didn’t stop George W. Bush and Barack Obama from pushing No Child Left Behind and Common Core.
I assumed Pompeo would have some similar plan, but he surprised me again by just saying, “I would speak about it often.”
“Speak.” That’ it.
Unlike most politicians with presidential ambition, Pompeo acknowledges that the Constitution puts limits on federal power.
Regarding education, he says, “Get the federal government out of that. … Let school boards, school superintendents, teachers and governors control decisions for their own students, instead of some knucklehead bureaucrat at the U.S. Department of Education.”
Then he added, “get rid of” the Department of Education.
Finally! A politician actually open to shrinking federal power.
Pompeo said (in my opinion) bad things, too. I’ll cover that next week.
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Former CIA Director and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will probably run for president.
People call him a “staunch conservative.”
In our extended interview, I give him a hard time about that.
“Conservative” once meant promoting limited government. But lately Republicans push new regulations and drive up America’s debt by spending more.
Pompeo surprised me by agreeing that, under Donald Trump, Republicans spent too much. He surprised me again by saying that entitlements must be cut and that we don’t need to spend more on our military. That was refreshing.
Then we talked about the border.
“Immigrants made America,” I point out.
“I’m an immigrant,” Pompeo responds. “My ancestors came through a legal process. This is the difference.”
But today, I point out, the “legal process” for an ambitious person who wants to work is nearly impossible. “You might get in after waiting 12 years!”
“Whatever the rules ... you got to enforce it,” Pompeo responds.
“Shouldn’t we change the rules?” I ask.
“I actually think it’s time to take a break,” says Pompeo. Today, people apply for asylum and then stay until their request is accepted or denied. When Pompeo was secretary of state, he says he told Mexican officials, “You’re not going to have these people traveling in caravans through your country. We’re sending them back to you.”
President Joe Biden reversed that policy. “You can now see 4 million illegal immigrants in just 24 months,” says Pompeo. “This will fundamentally change the nature of our country ... drugs came across our borders. There’s not much difference between a cartel leader and a jihad leader.”
“Why not legalize drugs?” I ask. “Then cartel leaders wouldn’t exist!”
“It’s a terrible idea,” Pompeo responds. “You see the decimation that we have from our drug culture today.”
“That’s because it’s illegal!” I push back.
“It’s not,” responds Pompeo. “There’s too much product available. Family institutions are beginning to fray in ways that are fundamentally dangerous to the United States.”
His answer makes no sense. Families fray, and drugs are shipped despite our drug war. The war creates a black market that causes crime. There are no alcohol “cartels,” only because we ended Prohibition.
But I won’t convince Pompeo. Or you, probably.
I ask Pompeo why America needs 54,000 troops in Japan and 36,000 in Germany. “We won those wars! Now those countries should defend themselves.”
Xi Jinping is the “singular greatest threat in the history of our nation,” says Pompeo. If we bring all the troops home, that will “put the American people at enormous risk.”
Pompeo calls Edward Snowden “a traitor” who should be executed. Snowden stole documents from the National Security Agency that showed how our government illegally spied on Americans.
I call Snowden a hero for risking his freedom and career to reveal the truth.
Pompeo says secrets Snowden revealed endangered Americans. But our spies often exaggerate their importance. For instance, the NSA claimed its mass surveillance stopped 54 terrorist attacks. Then the number dropped to seven. Then government reviews concluded that mass surveillance did not stop a single attack.
“You can’t just steal American secrets,” says Pompeo. “If you find something illegal, there is a process to correct it.”
But people who used that process had their homes raided -- their careers ended. I understand why Snowden sneaked out of the country.
Another area where Pompeo and I disagree is Trump’s tariffs.
“Tariffs mainly punish the American consumer,” I point out. Tariffs make goods more expensive.
“Tariffs are a very blunt instrument,” acknowledges Pompeo, but they “solve a very real challenge. How is it you prevent an adversarial nation from screwing you in their trade relationships?”
The Chinese do cheat. They steal intellectual property. But tariffs haven’t stopped that. The Chinese also foolishly subsidize some industries. But so do we!
Free trade benefits everyone. That’s one reason I’m a libertarian.
Pompeo does want to cut government. Why isn’t he a libertarian?
“I grew up libertarian,” he says. “The idea of less government power being better for the American people is something that is very near and dear to my heart.”