Monday, February 3, 2025

Refuse to Let the Regime Media Make You Submit


The primary debate weapon system employed by leftists and leftist-adjacent minions is not arguing the truth; it’s social coercion designed to get you to stop talking. It’s the idea that they can shame you into conformity, that they can guilt you into concurrence, that they can browbeat you into submission. But they can only do that with your collaboration, so the response is obvious. Don’t collaborate. Understand that everything the leftists say is a lie, that everything they say is utterly morally bankrupt, and that you definitely do not gotta hand it to ’em. That’s the beauty of Donald Trump. He goes full honey badger. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t accept their premises and laughs off their epithets. It drives them crazy that he just rejects them out of hand and ignores the social backlash against him. It drives them crazy that he doesn’t mind that they say he’s a bad person. He just bulldozes right through them.

And that’s what you need to do, too.

I spent 30 years as a trial lawyer arguing with people, often very smart people who could present coherent and compelling cases based on facts, laws, and evidence. It’s a pleasure to argue against somebody smart. It is also uncommon. Much of the time, the other lawyer was a mediocrity who was unable to present a compelling case even when he/she/they had a good case to present. That was good for my clients but not particularly entertaining for me. And then there were the times when I was facing an idiot who practiced out of a van down by the river and, when his/her/their ridiculous case was being laughed out of court, he/she/they would proceed to pound on the table and bellow in outrage that I dared to point out that not only was the emperor not wearing any clothes, His Majesty wasn’t packing much in the manhood department either.

As you stand up to advocate for America First, you’re going to get this, too. They’re not going to want to fight you on the facts. They lose on the facts. They’re going to try to seize the faux moral high ground and dominate the argument by making it about how you’re a bad person and not how their ideology sucks. You’ve got to understand that, and when you do, you are liberated. You are free to ignore their puny blows and petty jibes and to counterattack mercilessly to leave them in a sputtering spasm of outrage. Leftists aren’t used to facing opposition. They’re used to dominating through social coercion, so they’ve got nothing when they can’t flex that. They sit and sputter helplessly. It’s fun to make them sad.

I had such an experience the other day. I was out on my morning walk – we patriots should all maintain a certain level of physical fitness for the coming apocalypse – when I got a phone call from a foreign number. Occasionally, foreigners want me to be on their shows as the token gringo. This is always a mistake on their part. What they want is not a patriot but an American who will regurgitate reassuring approval of their preconceived notions about the United States for the delight of people who hate us. What they get with me is the truth and, as a famous fellow colonel from the movies once put it, they can’t handle the truth.

This call was from LBC, which is some obscure English outlet. I think I’ve been on it before. I don’t know. I don’t really care. Anyway, could I talk about Donald Trump’s post-airplane crash press conference? Sure, I’ll come on at 11 AM even though it’ll screw up my plans for the day. Yeah, I’ll do Skype. But, I warned the booker, I’m probably going to say something that could get me arrested in your country. The booker laughed nervously, even though I wasn’t joking.

So, I get on with some guy I’ve never heard of, Iain Dale. He looks kind of like a spark plug with an accent that reminds me of a Downton Abbey butler. But good gosh, he’s soft. He makes Mitt Romney look like Curtis LeMay.

I decide to dress like a flag, a blue jacket, a white shirt, and a red tie. They introduced me as Townhall’s senior columnist and an author, which was nice. I don’t think they mentioned to him that I was also an infantry colonel and a trial lawyer, but he found out the hard way. Anyway, I knew it was going to be fun when he started out by throwing it to the LBC correspondent in … wait for it … Washington DC. They’re always based in Washington, DC, and they apparently never go anywhere else. Holy cow, it was like the dude was reading off a DNC talking points memo. Trump is a racist for talking about DEI, and how dare he politicize the airplane crash by pointing out the obvious failures of DEI and, oh well, I never. I couldn’t see the video feed, but I would assume he was clutching his pearls. Iain did not interrupt him. Iain did not question him. Iain just soaked it in. 

Yeah, this was going to be fun.

So, Iain starts with me and his question is something along the lines of “So, is Donald Trump terrible or awful?” I thought he wet himself as I watched him on the feed listening to me say that I unreservedly and wholeheartedly supported Donald Trump’s actions and insights and that we need more of this kind of courageous truth-telling about our institutional failures. I went on to mention how DEI is the province of losers who try to leverage where their great-grandfather came from to take jobs and benefits they didn’t earn from the people who actually did. It did not go over well. I might as well have been speaking Swahili – which, back when they had an empire, some Brits probably spoke – because Iain was baffled by what was coming out of my mouth. Apparently, he had never heard anybody who disagreed with him before – I suspect all of those people are in British jails since they do that to dissenters now. Anyway, he got very upset with me. Here’s the clip he chose to post – remember, this is the one that he thinks makes him look best, so you can imagine what the rest was like.

Eventually, I got a little too real for him, and he just threw me off. When I got Don Lemon mad at me for pointing out that Hillary Clinton had no standing to criticize Donald Trump’s sex life after she defended her husband who was turning the local interns into walking humidors, he banned me and I got about 2000 new followers. LBC didn’t even measure up to CNN; while I did get some followers, it was nowhere near as many this time. If a tree falls in the woods and all that. Sad!

Now, the purpose of this column isn’t to toot my own horn about standing up to some media mediocrity from a formerly great country that’s now primarily known for bad teeth, woke Dr. Who, and the toleration of Third World rape gangs. Dispensing with Iain was like tripping a fat kid running to the buffet – funny, sure, but not much of a challenge. 

No, the point here is the lessons learned. They will attempt to set the premises. They will enforce and defend those premises by calling you a racist and a bigot – which really upset my Latinx immigrant wife – and you are supposed to shut up and submit. But don’t. Laugh at them. Refuse to be lectured to by these mediocrities. Who the hell do these people think they are? In my case, it’s not just that he’s from an inferior country – all countries are inferior to the United States, a lesson that I learned cleaning up their messes during the many years of my life that I spent overseas. It’s that leftists have no morality. To them, morality is simply a tool, a weapon system to be deployed against us to leverage the power they can’t get from actually proving something with evidence. This is why you have to reject the idea that they have any moral standing to address you at all. They’re nothing. What they say doesn’t matter. But what you say does because it’s the truth, and that’s why they’re so desperate to shut you up.

What’s the lesson? Don’t shut up. Oh, they can kick you off their show – on social media later, Ian’s fans were ecstatic that he got rid of me and my wrongthink, which is pretty much the most modern British thing ever – but here’s the thing. I will be back on shows people watch, I will be writing here, and I will be all over social media. They can’t shut us up anymore. They can try, but they’re going to fail.

I am so not tired of all the winning.



Expanding Educational Freedom and Opportunity for Families



 By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to improve the education, well-being, and future success of America’s most prized resource, her young citizens, it is hereby ordered:


Section 1.  Purpose.  Parents want and deserve the best education for their children.  But too many children do not thrive in their assigned, government-run K-12 school.  According to this year’s National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), 70 percent of 8th graders were below proficient in reading, and 72 percent were below proficient in math.  Moreover, geographically based school assignments exacerbate the cost of housing in districts with preferred schools, straining the finances of millions of American families sacrificing for their children’s futures. 

When our public education system fails such a large segment of society, it hinders our national competitiveness and devastates families and communities.  For this reason, more than a dozen States have enacted universal K-12 scholarship programs, allowing families — rather than the government — to choose the best educational setting for their children.  These States have highlighted the most promising avenue for education reform:  educational choice for families and competition for residentially assigned, government-run public schools.  The growing body of rigorous research demonstrates that well-designed education-freedom programs improve student achievement and cause nearby public schools to improve their performance. 

Sec. 2.  Policy.  It is the policy of my Administration to support parents in choosing and directing the upbringing and education of their children. 

Sec. 3.  Guidance on Supporting State-based K-12 Educational Choice.  Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Education shall issue guidance regarding how States can use Federal formula funds to support K-12 educational choice initiatives.

Sec. 4.  Encouraging Education Freedom through Discretionary Grant Programs.  (a)  The Secretary of Education shall include education freedom as a priority in discretionary grant programs, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law. 
(b)  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Labor and the Secretary of Education shall review their respective discretionary grant programs and each submit a plan to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, that identifies, evaluates, and makes recommendations regarding using relevant discretionary grant programs to expand education freedom for America’s families and teachers. 

Sec. 5.  Expanding Opportunities for Low-Income, Working Families.  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall issue guidance regarding whether and how States receiving block grants for families and children from the Department, including the Child Care and Development Block Grant (CCDGB), can use them to expand educational choice and support families who choose educational alternatives to governmental entities, including private and faith-based options.

Sec. 6.  Helping Military Families.  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense shall review any available mechanisms under which military-connected families may use funds from the Department of Defense to attend schools of their choice, including private, faith-based, or public charter schools, and submit a plan to the President describing such mechanisms and the steps that would be necessary to implement them beginning in the 2025-26 school year.

Sec. 7.  Helping Children Eligible for Bureau of Indian Education (BIE) Schools.  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior shall review any available mechanisms under which families of students eligible to attend BIE schools may use their Federal funding for educational options of their choice, including private, faith-based, or public charter schools, and submit a plan to the President describing such mechanisms and the steps that would be necessary to implement them for the 2025-26 school year.  The Secretary shall report on the current performance of BIE schools and identify educational options in nearby areas.  

Sec. 8.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c)  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expanding-educational-freedom-and-opportunity-for-families/



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Trump’s Second Week: A Turning Point in American Governance


In his second week of his second term in office, President Trump has asserted the right of the Chief Executive to effectively manage the Executive Branch. He has blindsided -- even gelded -- his detractors in the media and Congress, and issued an astonishing array of executive orders which reveal how tax funds have been flowing out of the Treasury to the benefit of the Deep State and its friends without regard (and often even being inimical) to the national interest. So much has happened that I cannot cover it all, but I will try to hit briefly and in no particular order some of the most significant developments this week.

Gaza

Trump has proposed that Gazans be relocated to Jordan and Egypt so that Gaza can be rebuilt and Hamas’s presence removed. Jordan and Egypt have balked at that notion but the President, who notes how financially dependent on us they are, insists it will happen.  details how this project makes sense. It would allow Gaza to be rebuilt more quickly, it would allow Gazans exposure to “different educational systems, ones that don’t glorify death and antisemitism.” He details the cost of providing for them and the history of Palestinians fomenting wars in the area. Taha concludes:

The solution must be approached logically, not emotionally. It has nothing to do with Israel itself. If you examine the situation, Israel wouldn't take Gaza even for free under any condition; it just wants Gaza free of hostages and rocket launches targeting its schools and hospitals. The real question is whether all the corrupt Palestinian leaders genuinely want a state, or if they merely use the idea of statehood as a rhetorical tool to create obstacles, resist peace or normalization, and fill their pockets and bank accounts.

And per Israel’s ambassador to the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia are closer than ever to normalizing relations.

Bulldozers and heavy bombs which Israel had ordered and paid for and on which Biden held up delivery have been delivered at last.

California

The President tweeted that the U.S. military “turned on water flowing abundantly from the Pacific Northwest… The days of putting a Fake Environmental argument, over the PEOPLE, are OVER.” The claim was disputed, but it was true.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has dramatically increased the amount of water flowing from two dams in Tulare County, sending massive flows down river channels toward farmlands in the San Joaquin Valley.

Federal records show that water releases from Terminus Dam at Lake Kaweah and Schafer Dam at Lake Success jumped early Friday morning.

The sudden increase occurred four days after President Trump said on social media that the U.S. military had “entered” California and “TURNED ON THE WATER.” Trump also vowed during a visit to Los Angeles last week to “open up the valves and pumps” in California to deliver more water. 

According to federal data, the flow from Terminus Dam into the Kaweah River near Visalia increased from 57 cubic feet per second to more than 1,500 on Friday morning. The flow from Lake Success near Porterville into the Tule River increased from 105 cubic feet per second to 990.

The Army Corps of Engineers is “conducting controlled water releases” from the two dams, said Tyler Stalker, a spokesperson for the Corps in Sacramento. “The action is being coordinated with local officials. The releases are within the capacity of the downstream waterways.”

Responding to questions about the reasons for the sudden increase in water flow, Gene Pawlik, a spokesperson at the Corps’ headquarters in Washington, said in an email that the action was “consistent with the direction” in Trump’s recent executive order to enact “emergency measures to provide water resources” in California.

The feckless governor Gavin Newsom finally got around to directing state agencies to maximize storage of water from rivers to recharge groundwater and boost reservoirs.

As the President showed up Newsom in California, he also showed up the Biden FEMA operation in western North Carolina which had been stalled for months. Flood victims were quickly moved from hotel rooms and tents to furnished apartments, and Trump ordered all the roads and bridges, including private bridges, quickly restored.

The Military

8,950 active-duty servicemen and 5,727 reserve troops who were transgendered have been removed from service and in their stead 8,000 military personnel who had been removed because they refused the vaccine mandate have been welcomed to return with back pay.

Foreign Students

Much of the chaos, disruption, and antisemitic activities on college campuses which the prior administration ignored involved foreign students here on temporary visas. The administration has begun identifying them, revoking their visas, and repatriating them home.

Freeze on Spending

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is taking a scalpel to outlandish and often anti-American foreign-aid grants.     

[OMB] ordered a massive freeze on all federal aid programs outside of Social Security, Medicare and other assistance that goes directly to individuals. (Ed: $3 trillion worth of federal grants.) The freeze  is because the agencies were just churning them out without review.

The two-page memo, which is set to take effect on Tuesday night, could impact lower-income households that rely on Medicaid, school breakfast and lunch programs; Section 8 rental assistance, and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, according to Roll Call.

The memo also noted that the OMB can grant exceptions to the order on a case-by-case basis. 

"The use of Federal resources to advance Marxist equity, transgenderism, and green new deal social engineering policies is a waste of taxpayer dollars that does not improve the day-to-day lives of those we serve," the office wrote in the memo.

“Career and political appointees in the Executive Branch have a duty to align Federal spending and action with the will of the American people as expressed through Presidential priorities,” the memo continued. "This memorandum requires Federal agencies to identify and review all Federal financial assistance programs and supporting activities consistent with the President’s policies and requirements.”

The federal programs impacted will each be assigned a "senior political appointee to ensure Federal financial assistance conforms to Administrative priorities.” Reports from those individuals will be due Feb. 10.

The most outlandish grants now frozen were the billions of dollars spent on non-government agencies like Catholic Charities to bring in people from the Third World to swamp our communities, drive down employment and housing opportunities for poorer Americans, increase our tax burden, and jeopardize our safety. 

Scrutinizing the grants of the Biden regime, the new administration has come up with numerous other equally preposterous outflows, so absurd they can only be considered payoffs to friends and money laundering, Here are just a few:

In 2021, the Biden administration gave $540,000 to "Transgender Equity Consulting, Inc." This firm is comprised of "six black and Latinx transgender and nonbinary individuals" -- one of whom is apparently the "first BBW trans porn star." 

The Biden admin issued $850,000 in federal grants to a left-wing organization's "LGBTQI+ family support program," which some have characterized as promoting gender ideology for the children of military families.

The DOGE team has gained access to the U.S. Treasury's computerized payment records and will be able to conduct an audit of expenditures.

Foreign Aid

The funding of projects overseas is just as full of ridiculous, if not suspicious, grants. By way of example, when Biden approved $100 million to support “basic rights and freedoms” of Afghan women, $15 million was to be spent on distributing condoms there. I consider it unlikely that the money went anywhere else than into the pockets of the Taliban and leftist agencies, and the title of the grant was to hide the real recipients and purpose.

Coffeeandcovid Substack has a marvelous and lengthy review of some of this week’s actions, with an explanation of the reason and dynamics:

Chaos. Confusion. Epoch-making. What Trump has done was, until yesterday, unimaginable. When the Wall Street Journal called “the memo” “unexpected,” it was a masterpiece of understatement, kind of like describing the Hindenberg [sic] as an unscheduled travel delay.

It came in two parts (so far). Yesterday, Trump’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) unleashed a two-page memo upon the entire federal government. It was nothing less than a multi-trillion-dollar, whole-of-government spending freeze, excepting only a small handful of essential items like Medicare, emergency relief, payrolls, and Social Security. Like that, Trump shut down the government.

You can be sure that nothing like this has ever happened before. It has completely flipped the script. Instead of Trump trying vainly to wrestle control over a vast bureaucracy, now the bureaucrats must come to Trump for permission to do anything.

Overnight, Trump has managed to turn the vast, out-of-control federal bureaucracy into a command-and-control system.

After four years of a virtual meat puppet in the White House where unnamed assistants allowed the bureaucrats to run wild and toss around federal funds like confetti, this certainly must be a shock and awe moment.

Starting at 5pm today, all government financial assistance (excluding the aforementioned categories) must be temporarily frozen until further notice, after Trump Administration officials can “review” all government expenses to “determine the best uses of the funding.”

Until yesterday, nobody would have believed such a pause for review was even possible. It’s too big. Trump isn’t asking the bureaucracy to follow orders; he’s forcing them to come to him for permission to function at all. It is totally unprecedented, and it raises all kinds of questions about separation of powers between the President and Congress, but it also resonates on a common-sense level.

If the President is the nation’s chief executive, shouldn’t everything be centralized in his office? And if it got out of control, shouldn’t some President get it back under control?

This must be especially the case in the USAID, a hidden financier of the CIA that funds many things antithetical to our interests and which is likely on the Trump chopping block:

One of the biggest sources of funding for NGO’s -- especially foreign NGO’s -- is the State Department’s USAID, which many have long suspected was a CIA front for destabilization operations. According to the Kiev Post, USAID has distributed over $30 billion dollars to Ukrainian NGOs and contractors, a vast uncharted ocean of misspent money.

USAID is the deep state’s ATM.

Yesterday, the AP ran a story related to the financial freeze orders, headlined “US places dozens of senior aid officials on leave, citing possible resistance to Trump orders.

According to the AP, 56 senior USAID personnel and “hundreds of contractors” were placed on immediate administrative leave yesterday, pending review, which is the closest thing to getting fired career bureaucrats get.

The dramatic USAID purge seems related to malicious compliance inside the agency. Someone leaked an internal USAID memo sent late yesterday, which quoted new acting administrator Jason Gray, who said he had identified “several actions within USAID that appear to be designed to circumvent the President’s Executive Orders and the mandate from the American people.”

Boom.

We can quibble over precise definitions, but nobody can argue that USAID isn’t a core component of the Deep State, however you want to define that term. It’s ironic that Chuck Schumer has become the Deep State’s poster boy, since Trump is attacking the Deep State “six ways from Sunday.” He’s cut off their money -- the Deep State’s lifeblood -- and now he’s ruthlessly making examples of employees who defy legal instructions. And not just a few employees, either.

This is the long-awaited deep state showdown -- but on a scale nobody imagined. It’s like what we hoped would happen during Trump’s first term, except that it has been working out during its four-year hiatus and now it has roid rage.

If Trump succeeds in these agency purges, and gathers the money strings back under White House control, in one transparent database, then the deep state as we knew it is finished.

FBI and DoJ 

Actions of personnel in these and other agencies are being scrutinized, and by firing, placing on leave pending investigation of their work, requiring them to report to work, attrition (refusing new hires) and reassignment, the federal work force is being streamlined and malicious compliance (like removing the story of the Tuskegee airmen from military education in an effort to tar the administration) are being forcefully and rapidly dealt with. The scrutiny and actions involving the corrupted FBI and DoJ are noteworthy for their thoroughness. Aides to Elon Musk have been ensconced in the Office of Personnel Management working round the clock (even bringing mattresses with them so they can sleep in the office). They have locked the door to the computer facility and are checking who’s on the payroll, where, what are their jobs, and when they were put on the civil service rolls. (Attorneys recently hired as probationers in the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C. who were engaged to work on the now dropped J6 cases, were around election time transferred by Biden to permanent status. They are now out the door, the effort to burrow them in and hamper the operation of the new U.S. Attorney is over.)

Foreign Policy Achievements

Special envoy Richard Grenell flew to Venezuela and promptly returned with six Americans that NicolΓ‘s Maduro had been holding and a promise to accept those illegal entrants from his country who are being repatriated at Venezuela's cost. Colombia’s president Gustavo Petro, who said he wouldn’t accept illegal aliens we are repatriating, turned on a dime. Not only will he accept them, but he sent his own plane to pick up the first batch. Respecting countries we cannot rely on to keep repatriated criminals, the President has announced he will send these people to Guantanamo.

The Media and the Dems

The 51 former intelligence officials who misled the public about Hunter Bidens’ laptop likely being Russian disinformation (often in the same media which earlier pimped the lie that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election to aid Trump), have had their security clearances revoked and may not enter a secure federal facility without an escort who is responsible to assure that they see no classified information. In practical terms they are as up on current intel as your Aunt Agnes, which means fewer media appearances and even less influence and board of directors offers. Some legacy media have had their offices in the Pentagon cleared out in favor of new media.

So much, in fact, is going on that the Washington Post reports that Democrats are now more unpopular than the party has been in nearly two decades. They are leaderless and, as usual, spouting untruths in a vain attempt to stop what is happening. This week they largely misrepresented facts and gave speeches instead of questioning cabinet nominees, often looking particularly stupid, as in the case of Senator Maggie Hassan when she yelled at Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. that settled science might be wrong but we can’t question it because to do so would halt progress.

Propagandists Jim Acosta at CNN and Chuck Todd at NBC are out.

I anticipate judicial challenges and efforts to delay, but most of these changes, if not all, will remain largely undisturbed.



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Deep State Warner Talks to Apoplectic CBS Brennan About Tulsi Gabbard and Tariffs (Transcript)


Saying DNI nominee is disqualified for her prior position on FISA-702 and her previous position on Edward Snowden, SSCI Vice-Chair hopes the republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee do not allow Tulsi Gabbard to come out of SSCI confirmation vote. WATCH:



[Transcript] – MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Virginia Democratic Senator Mark Warner. He is the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and joins us from Palm Beach, Florida. Good morning to you, Senator.

SEN. MARK WARNER: Good morning, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you have any sense yet what the cost of these tariffs could be for Virginia, which does have a wine industry, for example?


SEN. WARNER: Yeah. Well, first of all, Margaret, I think we might want to call this the Donald Trump Super Bowl tax, with the big game coming next week. If you- you know, avocados, tomatoes, beer from Mexico, price is going to go up. The question around cars- I’ve read already about $3,000 of additional price on cars, up to 10,000 on trucks, because we’ve actually integrated very well our auto production with Canada and Mexico. I think it’s well about the fact that for years, we’ve been encouraging businesses to leave China and near shore to a place like Mexico. Now that is going to end up costing consumers more. And for industries like ours- like the wine industry, where we are growing rapidly in Virginia, those folks are going to get socked as well. So this is- remember Donald Trump got hired trying to lower grocery- saying he was going to lower grocery prices–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –Right.

SEN. WARNER: Two weeks in, he’s doing something that’s going to do the absolute opposite.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we will track the impact of this trade war. Senator, I want to switch topics. You are, as we said, the Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, we watched that hearing this week for Tulsi Gabbard, she had two particular exchanges with Republican senators, Todd Young and James Lankford, who pressed her to say that Edward Snowden was a traitor. Lankford said it was a softball. But listen to what happened.

SEN. TODD YOUNG: Did he betray a duty? Did he- did he betray the trust of the American people, which is according to Merriam-Webster, that’s the definition of a traitor.

TULSI GABBARD: Edward Snowden broke the law and he released this information in a way that he should not have. He also acknowledged and exposed information that was unconstitutional.

[SEN. JAMES LANKFORD SOT]

SEN. JAMES LANKFORD: Was he a traitor at the time when he took America’s secrets, released him in public and then ran to China and became a Russian citizen?

TULSI GABBARD: Senator, I’m focused on the future and how we can prevent something like this from happening again.

[END SOT]

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve worked closely with these senators. I know they’re Republicans and you’re from a different party, but when you speak to them privately, do you think they can get over that- her refusal to call him a traitor and actually vote to confirm her or even move her out of committee?

SEN. WARNER: Listen, Margaret, Edward Snowden released more information- probably did as much damage to our intelligence community as anyone in history. And the fact that Ms. Gabbard- who actually had legislation to pardon Edward Snowden, she called him a brave whistleblower, couldn’t bring herself to call him a traitor, I think is disqualifying just on plain judgment. What would that- what signal if she got in, would that send to the IC workers or contractors? Is she going to suddenly enforce the law if she called Snowden a brave whistleblower? And what I’m particularly concerned about, Margaret, is our sharing of information with our allies, that’s not written into law that’s based on trust. Will they really trust to share their intelligence with us if she can’t call out one of the worst traders in recent American history as- as such, as a traitor.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think she can even make it out of committee and make it to a full vote on the floor of the Senate?

SEN. WARNER: I know there are a number- our committee is the- historically the most bipartisan. We check our partisan hats at the door. There is enormous MAGA pressure that, as we’ve seen, put on senators who are willing to stand up. We’ll know this coming week, but it’s not just Snowden, it was- America’s most powerful intelligence tool is a law called- something we call Section 702, she left us totally confused on her views on that. And as well, her lack of judgment, whether it’s going to visit Assad when he was head of Syria, whether it was taking trips paid for by sketchy groups or echoing Putin’s comments somehow NATO started the war in Ukraine, that is not the judgment of somebody that would run 18 intelligence communities- agencies

MARGARET BRENNAN: We will watch to see those Republican senators. I want to ask you as well about what’s happening at the FBI and the Justice Department. President Trump- he campaigned on this promise to restructure the government. Seems like he’s implementing that this week. So far between the FBI and Justice Department, we’ve seen at least 20 terminations. Some are calling this a purge. But is it overstating it if we’re seeing 20 people lose their jobs?

SEN. WARNER: Well, if you are suddenly taking out the most experienced folks at justice or at the FBI, how does that make us stronger? And what he’s saying is, every FBI agent that somehow touched the January 6 investigation- that was a comprehensive investigation. I’ve been told there were almost half of all the FBI agents at least had some involvement. Remember, this was a case that was taken up against these rioters all across the country. If you’re suddenly going to get rid of all of those- that could be thousands–

MARGARET BRENN: Yeah–

SEN. WARNER: –what does that mean for our cyber security? What does it mean for our trafficking and stop against fentanyl and other drugs? What does it mean in terms of, you know, serious crime investigations? This would be devastating.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that’s- our reporting is that the order was for a list to be drawn up of those 1500 or so people who worked on those cases. We’re going to try to get to the bottom of whether they’re actually going to be fired or not–

SEN. WARNER: –But, Margaret. Margaret–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –That’s not clear.

SEN. WARNER: We’ve seen- but we’ve seen you get your name on these lists. It’s like- it’s like, Trump’s potentially illegal offer to buy out all the federal employees, where we have no money in the budget for but we had a great tragedy this week in DC with the air- the crash. We are already short air traffic controllers. If suddenly 2 or 3000 air traffic controllers were to say, hey, I’m going to take this buyout, our airspace couldn’t operate. And yet he’s doing this so recklessly, frankly again, without legal authority–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –Is it being offered to them?

SEN. WARNER: Pardon me?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that open to–

SEN. WARNER: –Say again.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it being offered to air traffic controllers?

SEN. WARNER: All federal employees- my understanding it went out to two million federal employees. This offer- which, again, OPM does not have that authority to start with. That was who it came from, but it is- I can tell you, with lots of federal employees, we got chaos on steroids going on, and we had heard from Trump’s supporters, the OMB director, for example, that he wanted to traumatize federal workers. Well, that is happening, and these workers are the folks that inspect our- our fruit, our milk, our eggs. You know, what happens if they all quit?

MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you- and I know many of those people live in the state of Virginia, they are your constituents. I want to ask you about your former partner on the Intelligence Committee, Marco Rubio, now Secretary of State. He told a podcaster this week, the president made the decision to cancel security protection for Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, who served during the first term, because he looked through a “threat versus cost risk assessment.” I know you’re briefed on intelligence. Did the threat from Iran to assassinate former US officials go away?

SEN. WARNER: No. I’ve seen no intelligence that would indicate that that threat has been diminished. I think this is payback and it’s not just Pompeo–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –But Secretary Rubio endorsed this.

SEN. WARNER: Listen I have not seen any intelligence- and here I agree with my partner Tom Cotton, the now chair of the intel committee- we’ve seen nothing to indicate less threat. And also taking out, for example, down the security detail for former General Chief of Staff, Mark Milley. This is all about retribution. And he’s putting people’s lives in danger, which is just unbelievable, and I wish more people would stand up.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, thank you for your time this morning.

SEN. WARNER: Thank you, Margaret.

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